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The Journey of Zazulathi

Postby zazulathi » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:33 pm

Hey Guys!

What a fantastic looking forum, I love the simplicity of it, and the excitement around here, I hope it stays that way. I am very happy to join a focused art community, there is so much talent here....wow! I recognize a few faces too. :) I am starting this sketchbook here to hopefully get more feedback and help in getting better, unlike other forums around the net, lets all help each other more!

My goal is to get better at imaginative drawing, by doing lots of studies and lots of focused drawing. I am specifically focused on environments, but will be doing other things too, for learning purposes.

I have been doing art for a while already, but recently I have gone right back to the basics, starting with Form, and moving on from there. I want to fully grasp and understand each subject before I move on to the next, unlike in the past, as I rushed it too much. Thanks in advance!

To start this book, here is some old stuff, all from imagination, except for the self portrait, and Thomas Moran landscape study.
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Re: The Journey of Zazulathi

Postby jeremygordonart » Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:22 pm

Neat work in here! Main critique I have is that your values/plane separations need a bit of work. I would recommend doing a lot of studies only in black and white to make sure they read correctly. Your light sources seem to be the same value as your ground in some cases, it's hard to tell what's going on in the initial read, etc. This can all be fixed by understanding values and keeping things structured foreground, middleground, background. Try using only four or three values and doing at least one-hundred really quick thumbnail studies of master paintings. You will see what I mean.
Hope that helps, I look forward to your progress : )
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Re: The Journey of Zazulathi

Postby zazulathi » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:29 pm

jeremygordonart: Thanks, I appreciate the critique, when I have a chance, I will definitely do some more value studies, focusing on breaking up the foreground, mid, and background. Cheers!

Here is a ton more stuff, mostly recent-ish stuff, imaginative, some ref, and most are life drawings, including the still life/object studies, and pretty much all of the object studies, I am not trying to make stuff look pretty, but only break down objects into simple shapes. Prettiness comes later! ;) Sorry for the bad quality, no time to make them look better....I hope its not to bad quality.
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Re: The Journey of Zazulathi

Postby zazulathi » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:33 pm

and more....same as to what I said on my last post... - I am wondering if I should post even the most basic of studies, such as these, and even super simple crap like, cube and cylinder studies....I feel weird about it?
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Re: The Journey of Zazulathi

Postby zazulathi » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:37 pm

more, same info applies from last post...
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Re: The Journey of Zazulathi

Postby mattgamer » Sun Apr 20, 2014 11:13 pm

i like seeing the studies. you keep doing this and you'll see progress faster than you know it. yet, i'm sure you know this already.
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Re: The Journey of Zazulathi

Postby Chaklet_Cookiee » Sun Apr 20, 2014 11:59 pm

Hey! Those are some pretty cool enviros and legs studies! Keep it up and try working more on your line and shading!
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Re: The Journey of Zazulathi

Postby chazillah » Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:12 pm

cool perspective stuff! keep at it
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Re: The Journey of Zazulathi

Postby Carmel » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:01 pm

I enjoyed looking at your geometric constructions - it's great to see you concentrating so much on the basics.
But don't neglect your natural talent in picture building - you've got great potential there. I'm looking forward to watching you improve.
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Re: The Journey of Zazulathi

Postby zazulathi » Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:27 am

Some more stuff from the last couple of days...

Still doing studies, so there are some really basic shapes/forms, just doing stuff freehand...(cant believe how much these actually help! Applying them to real work) the basic shapes are from my mind, but they are simple...thumbnails are also from imagination, the small castle sketch I did for a quick fun study, then decided to try to study form/what I have been learning a bit, and applying what I learned from the crappy castle sketch - so the large castle drawing is from imagination right after, (it helps so much apply stuff right after)...(I could easily add so much detail digitally), so got bored with it though, but I am noticing this stuff really helping already with invention... and then some more form studies of the objects...trying to stay away from detail (sometimes I get trapped) ...only focusing on form right now....that's why I am keeping a lot of this simple.... right now.

This stuff is totally helping! Even if it looks really boring... :)

mattgamer Thanks dude! That is exactly the type of feedback I want to hear! I will keep doing it :D

Chaklet_Cookiee Thanks! I appreciate it. And yes, good point, I should focus more on my line...my shading I am just being lazy right now :P, since I am trying to focus only on simple shapes/form at the moment...

chazillah Thaankkkss! I will keep at it! :D

Carmel Thank you so much for that! For sure! :)
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Re: The Journey of Zazulathi

Postby mattgamer » Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:41 am

weehaw! perspective studies are the best. when you get this down, you'll be able to think 3d and draw anything!
look towards the goal and know that each one of these studies improves your mind for the best possible future.

also remember to do fun things that you love to draw, just so you don't burn out. burning out on studies is the worst! keep it up !! (:
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Re: The Journey of Zazulathi

Postby Theseus » Fri Apr 25, 2014 12:51 pm

I really like those thumbs! The perpspective on the primitives is a bit wonky, especially when there is ellipses involved (Like on that cylinder) I found for myself it helps to treat all the objects on the page as being in one space, keeps one focussed. I recognize you from CA, cool so see you here as well :)
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Re: The Journey of Zazulathi

Postby Samszym » Sat Apr 26, 2014 1:38 pm

Yo, thanks for the comment! Studies are looking nice and clean, you make me feel bad for not practicing my perspective XD

I'd agree that you need to work on your understanding of ellipses, some of yours have pointy football edges or curves that are bulging out weirdly, getting that stuff right should come with practice. One concept it doesn't look like you've gotten down yet is what angle to make the elipse, this diagram sort of explains it:
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Do you see how the minor axis of the ellipse is always going the same direction as the perspective plane that it's perpendicular to? With this in mind you should be able to find the correct angle for ellipses that aren't going straight up and down. let me know if this makes sense XD

really nice stuff, love the thumbs and that tree drawing a few posts up!
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Re: The Journey of Zazulathi

Postby chazillah » Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:31 pm

oh shit---
I'd better get back to perspective stuff
great work ethic, keep it up
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Re: The Journey of Zazulathi

Postby jeremygordonart » Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:29 am

Nice work on that construction practice! Main crit for the stuff like castles is to keep in mind sense of scale. Because of the size of the doorways and windows, the castle ends up looking like a small building, so try making everything small in contrast to the size of the structure to give it more epic scale, and also take a shot at placing cast shadows in perspective on those castles, that would look even cooler : D
Keep up the good work!
and by the way, that self portrait up top is killer work!
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Re: The Journey of Zazulathi

Postby Caner » Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:50 pm

Great thumbnails, i really love them. Nice stuff, keep it up!
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Re: The Journey of Zazulathi

Postby zazulathi » Sun May 04, 2014 12:25 am

Some castle/form study thumbnails done quickly and from ref from my phone, keeping things simple, first 6 are half imagination half ref, and bottom 3 are applying, so all imagination. Another form study of some random farm vehicle, only simple shapes for now. And tried out some perspective stuff, freehand, digitally, not trying to make super perfect lines right now, just learning...and again, focusing on form only/shapes, which was lots of fun. Then applied what I did after to my own, from imagination. Feels good! I think I am going to take a whole day just doing these...

And trying to figure out that cylinder stuff Samszym mentioned...


mattgamer: Thank you, that is my plan, I hope all the hard work will pay off and I can begin to create things from my mind! I mean, it has to right? I can slowly feel these sticking in my mind, and I have only just begun! :D

Theseus: Thanks! And thank you for the tip, I am doing these freehand and my perspective lines are probably wonky, and some I am doing carelessly just to pump out more quantity, that's no excuse though, maybe I should try for a bit more accuracy so I know if I am doing them wrong..I will try harder...When you say imagining everything in a space, do you mean drawing things in cubes? Nice to see you here too! :)

Samszym: Thank you, that is so helpful, I "tried" what you mentioned, but I think I am a bit confused...I posted a picture labeled HELP in red, haha, am I doing it right? The confusing part is how to get the minor axis lines to split the cylinder in half, can I move them around, anywhere I want, following the perspective lines? I do see that the minor axis follows the "I think opposite perspective of the cylinders? ...any more info on this would be amazing! Thanks! :D

chazillah: Thanks! Yeah, do it! :)

jeremygordonart: Thank you, I tried applying what you said, and it really helped, I didn't realize before my windows were so huge and affected the scale...so appreciate you pointing that out, it has made a big difference already. :D

Caner Thank you!
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Re: The Journey of Zazulathi

Postby chazillah » Sun May 04, 2014 1:34 am

Whoaaa cool *_* great work Justin!
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Re: The Journey of Zazulathi

Postby Samszym » Sun May 04, 2014 4:54 pm

"The confusing part is how to get the minor axis lines to split the cylinder in half"

okay that shows a misconception, the minor axis cutting the ellipse in half is part of what makes it an ellipse. Getting the minor axis to cut it in half is like trying to get all the sides of a square equal, if you don't get that right it's just not a square.

When you say the opposite perspective of the cylinders, I'm guessing you mean the perspective direction perpendicular to the ellipse, the direction the square face the ellipse is in goes back in space to? That's exactly right, that perspective direction is the minor axis, and once you have the direction of the minor axis you just have to find the major axis and make sure the ellipses touches the top, bottom, and sides of the square it's built in. The big problem you're running into is you're not drawing cubes for the ellipses, you've drawn rectangles. Since you're not drawing in squares the ellipse has to stretch to fit int he rectangle and that's bad practice. Focus on making cubes that are actually cubes, once you have the square drawn there will be only one possible ellipse that can fit in it.
here's a little step-by-step, don't know if it'll help.
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Re: The Journey of Zazulathi

Postby JacobJanerka » Tue May 06, 2014 9:26 am

Those castle sketches are sick! seems like you know what your weak on and focusing on those fundementals! When you have time I recommend doing some colour studies, esepcially doing some with a hard brush with no blending. You have a similar problem to myself and use unnatural colours too much and these studies have really helped me. Anyway dude keep it up your getting much better!
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Re: The Journey of Zazulathi

Postby Nickson » Sun May 11, 2014 2:58 am

Good studies! Keep applying what you're learning as much as possible to see where your knowledge falls short. It shouldn't take you long to get a good eye for perspective, once you feel confident enough try drawing without the grids and then check afterwards where you've gone astray. You should be working towards being able to visualise those guides and vanishing points in your head as you are drawing.
Try varying your line weights too, it will do your work wonders :)
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Re: The Journey of Zazulathi

Postby ImSkeptical » Tue May 13, 2014 6:21 am

You seem to be on the right track getting back to basics dude, keep working hard!
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Re: The Journey of Zazulathi

Postby zazulathi » Fri May 16, 2014 11:34 pm

Thanks for all the responses guys, I appreciate the comments and all your help so very much! I have been quite busy as of late and ended up getting sick, but I am basically all better now. :D

Recently I have been discussing with friends and wondering how people come up with ideas, how do you guys do it? And also, I am doing a bunch of this basic stuff again right now, which is cool and I am going to stick with it, but...my visual library is lacking and I am still lacking imagination when I try. How do I make my imaginative drawings better, is it just all about what I am doing, studying fundamentals, and copying reference and applying and then eventually you can draw things? How did it happen for you guys? Any tips are appreciated....

Alright, and now some stuff....haha - The silly building with pipes sticking out of it was a quick 10 min sketch from imagination...blah...and the rest are form/perspective studies again, all done without perspective lines, and with the reference study, then applying it to imagination. I am really enjoying these, cause I am surprised I can remember so much after....which is then sticking in my brain!! :D Trying to avoid details as much as possible still....


ImSkeptical: Thanks so much, I hope so...I feel like I skipped past this stuff to fast years ago....time to really learn it this time! :)

Nickson: Thanks dude! Recently actually, on these newest studies I am posting now, I decided not to use perspective lines, not sure if that is wise or not, but I feel like I can do it...Some things may get wonky though without, but it sure is faster not having to lay down perspective lines every time! I still need to vary my line weight, I guess I just get stuck in trying to figure everything out, that I forget to vary my lines. Although I guess that probably helps alot with form too....I should start this...Thanks!

JacobJanerka: Thanks! Well, truthfully I am purposefully exaggerating colors, and not really aiming for realism I guess....I love color, haha, but I appreciate that...and you are probably right, I still need to do a ton of color studies! What exactly does the painting color with a opaque brush do vs without?

Samszym: Hey! Thanks! That tutorial helps so much in understanding what you meant, and your description, I really appreciate that, I am going to try it this week, so in a couple of days, and I will post it and get back to you with a more in depth response! "Got work early, and this weekend" Sorry for the delay in responding too, I was sick and have been quite busy...baah. Thanks so much for taking the time to write such a informative response though, it really helps! :D Keep it coming....I want to leaaarn!

chazillah: Hey you! Thanks so much! :D
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Re: The Journey of Zazulathi

Postby Theseus » Sat May 17, 2014 8:36 pm

Brilliant man! I really like your dedication to this, especially in the post before, the car-thing is very inspiring.

If I may give a critique on the last update, I think perspective wise, maybe it's not a good idea to go out of construction of a setup just yet, you still seem to somewhat lack the grasp of a few principles. That said I think you make great guesses to where the lines would converge, just those guesses are different above as well as below the horizon. Seems like when you look down on a primitive it's a different space then when you look up to it.

I hear you with the imagination stuff man! I wish someone would tell me, too! :O
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Re: The Journey of Zazulathi

Postby zazulathi » Sat May 17, 2014 10:53 pm

I tried to squeeze in some stuff tonight after work, have more free time this up coming week, but I just thought to try out some quick 5 min composition/thumbnail sketches real quick of other peoples work and kinda re arranging things a bit myself....I am gonna do this from all sorts of ref, feels good quickly blocking in perspective etc not thinking too much... I also was hoping this will help when trying to do my own stuff later :) Gonna do these from imagination later too....pump ideas out....fun! :) Time for bed...

Theseus: Thanks man!! :D Ah yeah, your probably right, I guess I will suck up making grids while learning, haha....Yeah....I was looking at Androids old tutorial, and looking at Feng Zhus stuff on visual library and imagination....I think it really does just add up over time, the fundamentals, and learning from reference etc...but there has got to be more to this....hmmm
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Re: The Journey of Zazulathi

Postby forrestimel » Sun May 18, 2014 2:48 pm

Hey zazulathi, good work in here, you're tackling perspective really nicely. I don't know much when it comes to perspective, but I do know that this whole mentorship series on crimson daggers was really helpful when it came to teaching me all about perspective, it made it much easier to learn. Try to watch the classes and follow along with the assignments, and the class is over now so you can go at your own pace :)

http://crimsondaggers.com/forum/thread-1536.html
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Re: The Journey of Zazulathi

Postby jeremygordonart » Mon May 19, 2014 8:20 am

Dang dude, the perspective stuff is coming along super nicely. Makes me want to try out that mentorship.
Keep doing what you're doing, it's working. The line quality is improving too!
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Re: The Journey of Zazulathi

Postby zazulathi » Thu May 22, 2014 10:22 pm

Only have 1 sketch to show, been busy with 3D, and work and crap...I think I need to just squeeze in 1 - 2 hrs a day, even that little, since it is better than nothing....raaah.

Anyways, this sketch is a imaginative sketch, trying to learn, still lots to do on the line work and its not finished yet, pretty much just a imaginative study of a ancient ruin/jungle scene type thing. I wanted to do something more loose, had a perspective grid set up, but just went crazy, not worrying to much, felt really good. Maybe I will add some simple values to show the forms more....might even do a few more variations of this...

jeremygordonart: Thanks dude! Yeah, most the time I am rushed, because of no time....at night...gotta try to push the line quality more....

forrestimel: Thanks!! Oh wow! That perspective mentorship link looks amazing, thanks so much, I will try to make time to do that!
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Re: The Journey of Zazulathi

Postby matthew » Fri May 23, 2014 4:59 am

I like your thumbnails! Especially those where you added black and white values.
Keep working on perspective. It looks like you're making progress already :)

Regarding that last piece: It's a really busy image because there are so many details and the "visual weight" is almost the same all
over the place. It's really not easy for the eye to rest on something there. I think in this case it would help if you blocked in a light
grey tone underneath your sketch. (For all faces that are facing in the same direction)
That way your image would get grouped in larger shapes which makes it a lot easier to read!
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Re: The Journey of Zazulathi

Postby zazulathi » Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:33 am

Ahh, been so busy, wish I had more time to post more, I should post more, so much going on...but anyway here is some stuff from the last little bit. I need to be doing more focused studies again, most of this stuff is from imagination. Been doing more imagination, less study, gotta get back to the study! Here is some stuff, mostly all from imagination, I labelled the files. Also I realize some of the perspective is probably off as I am sort of eyeballing most of it, to speed up sketching...then If I like it, I will fix it digitally and paint it :P

matthew Thanks dude! Yeah, I have to get back to actual perspective studies...and form..for sure! Thanks for the crit, although I wasn't really planning on finishing it and rushed and left stuff out...You are totally right on everything though! I will keep all that in mind next time.
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